Physical Skills: Defensive Combat Style
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Hrothgar
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vut to my knowledge the weapon must be a stab weapon as it is said. Think of the user for the set stance as spear type fighter. So you set yourself, then hold your ground with your weapon in your enemies way as they come at you, turning their charge against them. Or at least that is how I understand it.

Any way the stand does make sense to me. Cause when you have your feet planted you are almost always would be able to have a more powerful thrust. on the other hand having your feet planted wont necessarily cause a swing to be stronger.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would have to agree with Hrothgar, when you swing a weapon you don't want to be planted. The way to get the best swing you can is by using your body to create more momentum. The Standing really is more conducive to a spear-type thrust.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Gabe may have it right on this one. If I remember correctly the restriction is supposed to be the you can't move part, not how you attack with the weapon.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Again, thanks Gabriel!

It makes sense to me that you can swing. If you are a defensive fighter, once the enemy is in range, then you can throw your hips into the shot if you need to (not likely at SimTerra), but swinging a sword from standing still, if you are standing still correctly, is easy. I can see this being a "hold the Line" skill.

It would suck being a "Set Stance" swordsman held at range by a spearman, however, if you put points into counter as well (which is also easy since they both follow the same tier), than the Spearman is SOL.

It is not a skill one would take for 1 on 1 duels, however, it shines in the melee. From Lord of the Rings, The Two Towers: "They will break upon us like water upon rock"
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is one of those places in the game, like Armor Points or Magic, that we choose to blur the lines of reality. While the set stance is certainly based more on the classic image of the spearman (think Spartans in 300), it isn’t entirely fair to restrict a fighter to only using a thrusting weapon.

Consider the different between reality combat and larp combat; if I stab someone with a real spear while bracing, I’m going to steal all their momentum and possibly gut them entirely. But in a larp, someone like Drew could simply drop to a knee, or even a forward role, call hit point, and keep coming past the spear. So where the attacker has an advantage in that they can’t actually get stuck on the weapon, the set-stance fighter is given the advantage of fighting in ways that don’t necessarily make sense in the context of reality.

It is always important to remember that Simterra is a game and certain allowance have to be made to create balance and allow people to have the most fun possible.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well I am going by the fact that i thought about getting set stance before, then both mike and drew told me that it had to be used with a stabbing weapon. though I am unsure if it was the two of them. I knew one of them was included and the other one might have been jeff. So I will say this, at the event ask drew and he will let you know whether it has to be a stabbing weapon or not. it is the easiest way to be sure.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hrothgar wrote:
well I am going by the fact that i thought about getting set stance before, then both mike and drew told me that it had to be used with a stabbing weapon. though I am unsure if it was the two of them. I knew one of them was included and the other one might have been jeff. So I will say this, at the event ask drew and he will let you know whether it has to be a stabbing weapon or not. it is the easiest way to be sure.


Set stance is for stabbing. You are correct, Hrothgar.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Question: Could perhaps "Set stance" be used with a fencing style, using a rapier or other similar thrusting weapon, with slight changes in footwork? Thought popped into my head when I started doing the writeup for the wiki
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